Printing from PL or managed by printer? Workflow here?

(I’ m looking around to find as much information about printing in general and specifically printing with the Canon Program Pro1000. I’m not sure yet, if I’ ll buy this printer, but if I buy a photo printer it will be this one).

As I do not have a proper foto printer yet, maybe someone can answer these questions.
When exporting from DXO PL3, there are a few options;

  1. I can export to another application (in my case both Luminar / Affinity Photo and SigmaPhotoPro automatically show). Would the printer software/application/driver, show up when I have a printer like Pro1000? Does anyone know (maybe another printer)?
  2. Under " ICC Profile" …does anyone know if “manage by printer” show up when having a printer like this Canon?
    I know it sounds pretty confusing, but maybe someone can point me in the right direction anyway.
    Thank you!

My very personal opinion is that PhotoLab is not the most appropriate software to print your images with.

If you buy one of the pro printers from Canon, you’ll get software that should be up to the task - including proper colour management. You’ll probably also want some calibration equipment and/or waste some sheets for trial and error prints. This site http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/photography-articles-and-reviews/ - it might help and there is certainly a lot to learn from other sources too.

Thank you Platypus !
I’ ll use the X-Rite iDisplay Pro for calibrating my monitor. It seems that the Pro1000 doesn’t t need to be calibrated (self calibrating). I’ve read Northern Light articles / Ken Cooper and reviews. Also watched video’ s from JToolman (Rodriguez), and many more. Asked for advice on DPR, etc. That especially for information about the Pro1000 and home printing in general.
I do not see a real Print module in DXO PL3…I know you can print from there, but I wonder how it could direct me to the Canon Pro1000, once I have this printer (unable to know yet). I really like to do my first work in DXO PL3. Love this program and my main Raw editor! Maybe then export to Affinity Photo for soft-proofing (maybe I’ ll use Qimage One for this). Then export to Canon software (16bit Tiff). Working with the Canon software could be best. Maybe someone else has other ideas?
Did/do you print from PL3?
Everywhere on the net there’ s a reference to either Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop…when printing. BUT, I’ m not using any Adobe anymore. Don’ t wish to go there again.

Hi Mujabad - I am in the same position as you I think. I am running WIN10 and use a Canon PRO100. For some time now I have been using Capyture 1 Pro but have always followed DXO. I really do like Photolab3 and would very much like to start to use it full time. The thing holding me back though is that I cannot get decent printed images from it! Do you or any others, have any setup advice on how I should enable Windows 10 Print dialog or DXO Print setup. The print output from Capture One matches my screen but the print from DXO is not correct! As I say, I’d love to switch over to PL3 as its really matured and I love the interface but the print output is a show stopper unless I can resolve. Any advice appreciated.

There may be multiple problems. One is the colour profile PL is using. In Monitor profile it was asked what profile PL is using where there are more than one monitor. No one has given a reply so that may be a problem.

Different results in the prints can also come from how a program is using the profiles, I don’t know if you would get the same if via the printer. I have seen slightly different results between Affinity and PL for example.

Managing via the printer is an option in the PL print menu.

The only way I have been able to get prints that were OK was a rather complex work round. I export to Affinity, use its Adjustments. Soft proof with Gamut Check selected and the paper profile. This shows me where there are problems, usually there will be some clipping and you can see what needs changing in PL. Have PL on a second screen and adjust mainly with the tone curve using a virtual copy and export that and try again. In effect I am using Affinity for most of the print checking. In PL I find it spaces the side margins wrongly so I have to add 4mm on the left and take off 2mm on the right. This way does leave me with the option of copying the finished results to the master thus the dop. Another was would be a renamed copy of the image with the printed changes applied to it.

It does all raise the problem of the lack of proper printing PL and the problem of sometimes needing more than one “right” result not be coped with permanently. I know some export resized Tiffs for different print sizes and uses but I just would find that a real pain as taking up one hell of a lot of HD space. It would be much better to be able to save different version processes but PL doesn’t cope with that and I don’t know if any one does.

Hi John - Many thanks for the reply. I’ve tried using the Printer option as you suggest but that was actually worse. It really is a shame as I would be very happy to switch completely to DXO PL 3 but with the print issue I will stick with Phase One - for now anyway.

Anyone else out there with a WIN 10, Canon PRO100 who has fixed the WYSIWYG when printing from PL3 would be excellent if you could post what your settings used are.

When I started using PL I asked this: about different looking jpg exports. and had the impression that no-one really knows what happens with the color profiles. For the export one can choose between “sRGB”, “AdobeRGB” and “Custom monitor profile”. Yesterday I found out that the latter two options look identical. The EXIF data says “undefined” for color profile, so it looks like “Custom monitor profile” is the same as “AdobeRGB”. This makes sense, because internally PL does indeed use AdobeRGB.

BUT: I am quite dissapointed that none of DXO staff could give an answer to this quite basic questions. Maybe I find some time to play with fake monitor profiles to find out, what happens, but it would be better if DXO could shed some lights on this topics.

Indeed I have run the program on my external monitor, near Adobe, and laptop nowhere near sVGA and absolutely no difference. I had highlights and black clipping on and no I could see no change between the 3 options in monitor preferences. I even tried rebooting, nothing. The query started in Monitor Profile was to ask if PL used the profile of the display it was used on. No one from DXO has responded, and from my tests I don’t see its actually doing anything when changing between my very different calibrated displays. As the original program was produced when nearly all users would have been using desktop computers with a display there has been a change. Now I expect a large minority if not most use laptops with many using an added monitor (or two) to use when at home (or work). Many of us use the desktop monitor for display and the tools on the laptop. It was this the Monitor Profile query was addressed and so far ignored. So you may be right, they don’t know what’s going on!

I have just ordered a canvas print of one of my photos. Prior I did a softproof in Lightroom, just to be sure. The softproof looks identical to the PL window, so I think it should work. Even if we don’t know why :rofl:

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So the image turned out nicely. It is a 120cm x 80cm canvas print and it matches the softproof (profile FOGRA39) pretty precisely. But I would always do a Softproof - I think Gimp or Rawtherapee are capable of this, too.

Wow, there seems to be a lot of confusion about color management here. Printer profiles, monitor calibration and export profiles all mixed up.

The best source to learn the basics that I know of is here, but it is in German: http://www.fotovideotec.de/#ka_farbmanagement_und_kalibrierung
A reliable English source is here: https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/color-management-printing.htm

A lot of the other stuff is either misinformation, people mixing up topics or trying to simplify to the point where everything is wrong.

Best advice if things are not clear: Set everything to sRGB (some monitors have a pre-calibrated option that is often very good) and give your pictures to an external printer service as they know what they do.

Photolab does produce pictures with over saturated colors if I choose sRGB output as . We already had this topic, I guess https://feedback.dxo.com/t/jpg-export-looks-different-than-preview/10616 .

My setup / workflow looks like:

  • Set monitor to native color space
  • Calibrate the display using X-Rite Colormunki / DispayCal
  • Setting the ICC profile (calibration result) in Photolab
  • Choosing the “right” color profile for export (choosing custom monitor profile / AdobeRGB exports look the same)
  • For softproofing: Import the file to Lightroom, choose the color profile according to printer / paper

What exactly you think is mixed up here?

Actually it is some software that doesn’t interpret the color profile information in DxO sRGB exports correctly if just the tag is used instead of an embedded profile. The colors in the exported file are accurate. If you see this issue with your software here is the workaround by using an sRGB profile as custom profile on export. This will embed the profile rather than just tagging the file. By the way, DxO is not the only software working like this.

This is an example of a mixup which inexperienced users do: The monitor profile is never the right profile for an export. It may work for you if you take over the result in a color managed application on the same machine. If other users follow the advice and post images like this on the web or just pass them on by mail the disappointment is guaranteed.

Your monitor profile will make just no sense on other peoples hardware, even if they use color managed software. It is a profile just for output to your specific monitor. Therefore, for any exchange, you have to use one of the well defined color spaces. sRGB happens to be the one that is available everywhere and is usually assumed even in non color managed software.

Therefore my recommendation (for the inexperienced) is to use sRGB only at all stages.

Another mixup: The monitor profile is not the calibration result. These are two different things, but without a hardware calibrated monitor it may look the same to you.

All of this is explained at the links that I posted.

You are using a MAC, right? The handling of color profiles is different in a Windows environment.

There is no “hardware calibrated monitor” - in the end there are lookup-tables and as they are modified, it is software :wink:
Actually it makes sense to cailbrate in software, as the whole signal chain (OS, driver, GPU) will be taken into the process.

Je n’ai pas tout compris dans ce qui précède…
Si la qestion est d’imprimer directement depuis PhotoLab sur une imprimante photo personnelle, c’est simple :
Dans le module d’impression :

  • choisir l’imprimante et aller dans les propriétés de l’imprimante.
  • dans les propriétés de l’imprimante, choisir le type et la taille du papier, et les diverses options (marge, etc). Il faut impérativement désactiver la gestion des couleurs propre à l’imprimante.
  • de retour dans le module d’impression de PL, choisir la résolution (300 dpi par défaut).
  • Profil couleur : Géré par DxO PhotoLab
  • Choisir ensuite le profil ICC correspondant au PAPIER utilisé. Ce profil peut être fourni soit par le fabricant de l’imprimante (installé généralement en même temps que l’imprimante), soit par le fabricant du papier (téléchargeable sur son site)
  • enfin choisir l’intention de rendu (généralement Perceptuel).
  • On peut choisir la netteté, la valeur par défaut (50) étant une bonne base.

Si l’écran est bien étalonné (et l’imprimante correctement réglée), on doit normalement obtenir une impression parfaitement conforme à l’écran pour les couleurs… à condition de l’éclairer avec un illuminant “lumière du jour” (5000 °K environ)


I did not understand everything in the above …
If the question is to print directly from PhotoLab on a personal photo printer, it’s simple:
In the print module:

  • choose the printer and go to the printer properties.
  • in the printer properties, choose the type and size of the paper, and the various options (margin, etc.). It is imperative to deactivate the color management specific to the printer.
  • back in the PL printing module, choose the resolution (300 dpi by default).
  • Color profile: Managed by DxO PhotoLab
  • Then choose the ICC profile corresponding to the PAPER used. This profile can be provided either by the printer manufacturer (usually installed at the same time as the printer), or by the paper manufacturer (downloadable from its site)
  • finally choose the rendering intent (generally Perceptual).
  • You can choose the sharpness, the default value (50) being a good basis.

If the screen is well calibrated (and the printer correctly adjusted), we should normally obtain a perfectly conforming printing to the screen for colors … provided that it is illuminated with a “daylight” illuminant (5000 ° K approximately)

Hello Colin. About a month ago I bought the Canon Pro-1000. Also bought Qimage One (this version is for Mac users like me; there’s also an original Windows version).
My workflow now is; shoot raw / import in DXO PL3 and work on those files / export as a 16bit tiff to Qimage for printing (softproofing is also possible in Qimage). I like it very much! You could try Qimage…absolutely worth the money!

Hi - I did continue to look into this and now have it setup with very good print results. The problem that I had, in simple terms, was how to disable color management in Windows 10 for my Canon PRO100. IMO - Microsoft do not make this easy for users like myself. So, I have now purchased DXO PL3 and have actually stopped using Capture One 20! I’m really loving the results. Out of curiosity - do DXO have any instructions for how to manage color management with Windows 10? I do understand its not a DXO problem but it would be really useful.

If it is only a question of color management for printing, we normally do not need to go through the Windows settings:

  • Disabling printer color management is done directly in the printer properties, accessible directly from the PhotoLab printing module
  • When installing the printer, the driver is supposed to have placed the ICC profiles for the papers used in the correct Windows directory.
  • If the paper profiles have been downloaded from the manufacturer’s site, it is an executable that will also place them in this directory.
  • Then, in the PL printing module, we will search for the ICC profile corresponding to the paper used (and to the printer), PL will search directly in the same good directory.

Sincere thanks for this guidance. I’m getting used to PL3 now - I’m very happy with it and it has a wonderful user interface.