FP6 vs PL5

Hi,

I notice a considerable difference between the same raw file processed in FP6 and in PL5. (with the same settings in both). The biggest one the the grain: in FP6 it’s very prominent, but in PL5 not very impressive (hardly visible, to be honest). I double checked all the settings, but they are identical. PL5 renders much sharper images as well. (Fujifilm .raf files on Windows). Is this as it’s supposed to be?

Film pack create film effect while PL render smooth no/subtle grain. You can always open the palette and increase grain or change the grain effect to match the same camera style.

Dirk, do you want to upload your raf-file (or via PM) to test ?
My very first DSLR was a Fuji S3Pro, which is not supported btw.

FP6 is integrated in PL5, isn’t it supposed to be exactly the same thing, hosted or standalone?

Will do, tomorrow morning! Thanks for caring

The difference is that, in PL5, FP6 also plays directly with RAW files and DeepPRIME at the same time to give incredibly beautiful results. Using it standalone means you would have to deal with noise reduction separately using something like TIFF files.

OK, that’s what I thought. I shouldn’t get such different results then.

yep like Joanna said.
even though you run a RAW with PL, it still run camera rendering and adjust grain and other setting to your camera from DxO parameter. maybe you can turn off some adjustment so you can get the same results. by using FP stand alone there’s no camera correction and noise reduction.
that’s funny I never ran it stand alone for a long time and just tried it, you can load a raw file into it and it was requesting full access control to my computer, that’s weird DxO.

Here’s a comparison between FP6 (right) and PL5 left). hopefully the difference is visible, I assigned the correct icc because this is a screenshot of a wide gamut screen and screenshots are not colormanaged. The difference in the reds is very noticable. These are Fuji raw files, opened directly in boths apps, and exported using ONLY the film sim with the corresponding grain, settings at default

In this one, we can clearly see the difference in grain rendering. This is at 100%. It’s safe to say that the grain in PL5 will not show at all unless we print HUGE (these are 6000x4000 pixel files). I was just wondering if this is normal. Thanks!

(Images to be viewed at full res please)

It’s even more striking in B&W (Ilford HP5-400 here):

Yep, a difference even just from the first picture, seen on ipad.
More grainy from FP than PL, might be from PL parameter managing grain, which you can always increase a in the palette.
For the red and green, it’s color contrast from FP, you might be able to match with the color wheel or play with FP color palette and some local adjustment.

Not sure if you set same setting it won’t match though from PL.

Ok, I figured it out. It’s 50% my own responsability. This is the side-effect from a bug in PL5 (and FP6) in the new Fujifilm X-Trans support, that DXO is already aware of. The software incorrectly reads Dynamic Range settings from the EXIF, resulting in underexposure when imported in DXO software. I applied a exposure correction to counteract this bug in Lightroom, after the round-trip from PL5. This exposure compensation attenuates/almost annihilates the grain effect. To avoid this, any major exposure compensation or global contrast adjustments should be applied in PL5 before exporting, not after. Seems legit…

Hmm, first “read” was FP6 vsFP5.

PL and FP are two completely different tools.
one is development and the other is creative.
FP is mostly about a creative layer.

what is PL- like are the advanced contrast which is a development tool.
and vignetting control more then “strenght”
a border case is miniature effect which is a form of DoF control that’s creative ánd development.

what for me a interesting thing to know is what is the major improvement of FP6 elite against FP5 elite?

visualisation of presets? (@mwsilvers did us a great favour in creating partial presets for FP5.)
time machine? background of which film emulation is used when?
tone control? dual filter? B&W convertion preperation of colors?
creative colorcasting?

which jump you guy’s see in upgrading?

I will be away for the next few days, but updated presets for FP 6 Elite will hopefully be available sometime early next week.

Mark

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Ok, I tried to find a (hopefully) noisy raw-file to see if everything is working and to compare denoising.

  • raf-file from Fuji X100F, 640 ISO
  • nef-file from Nikon DF, 5000 ISO

To not introduce individual settings with PL5, I chose Optical Corrections only and tried the different denoising options

  • HQ
  • Prime
  • DeepPrime

and compared with the ‘flat’ output from FP6, only Denoise activated.
– That is, I did not check any film and/or grain simulation.

Started with the Fuji-file, but realized (after different trials), that while PL’s optical corrections worked, there was none in FP6, which also led to some differences in brightness. With that I skipped further experiments with the raf-file.

Comparing the nef-file output from PL5 and FP6 (at 200/300 % to easier visualize)

  • with PL’s HQ denoise setting the result is about equivalent to FP6 denoise
  • with PL’s Prime and DeepPrime denoise settings it’s noticeably clearer / better

And as @Joanna already said, FP6’s output needs separate denoising, I applied Nik DFine in automatic mode to denoise the (equivalent) PL HQ output – resulting in a comparably ‘noisefree’ rendition, but visibly softer than those from the much younger algorithms Prime and DeepPrime.

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i just purchased Filmpack v6 elite and integrated in PL “timemachine” isn’t that funlooking in PL as standalone.
There is a preset chapter named " DxO Filmpack timemachine


@StevenL i don’t know if your in the taskforce of UI Filmpackv6 integration in plv5 but would it be a big problem if you create a palette tool in filmpack palette called “Time Machine” which opens the same feature?
And in preset mode is it just take a thumbnail by selecting and your done.
Now it are just “thumbnails” of the rendering but if you add some history of purpose to it you could get some extra’s.
The function “time machine” could be a sub window which “shows” the DxO-preset more dedicated in its power with information and such.