DXO Softwares on LINUX ! (please .....)


(vinz giraudon) #1

Because Apple sucks so much now … i am not going to pay so much money for such an ordinary hardware … any more…

Because Windows 10 sucks so much now … (everything a software should never be)

I Beg you on my knees to make all your softwares Linux compliant !

This is the only way … i am moving to linux and will never come back
And I would enjoy so much meeting you again in this new world …

I hope to see you soon there

Thanks a lot …

Vinz


(Alec Kinnear) #2

I share your thoughts on current Apple (best OS X was 10.6.8, 10.8 was okay, 10.11 can be made usable after that good blood luck). On the other hand, I’m still on Apple. Linux will have to wait until more software buyers move over. For now, Linux users remain mostly programmers and freebie types (will never pay for software).


(Peter) #3

Yes maybe true, the fact is that Linux(users) is deeply involved in things which are aiming on no payment or small payment ,self programming (GitHUB) or people who got affended by the data Gorgolars (sucking metadata) as windows and his successors (Facebook, google) and the highhorsed Apple with there good but very expensive luxury appliances and the users want to get out and getting “free” of those global (personal)data sucking systems.
It’s a relative small group of tweakers but growing.
Most people who are working in the image industry are Apple adapted and Windows has a big home photo enthusiast users base.
So i don’t think DxO will step in the market to compete with the Rawtherapee and Darktable, Gimp digiKam.
Not enough profit i think.


(Mark) #4

I understand a certain frustration with both Windows and iOS, but you are voluntarily cutting yourself off from thousands of great applications that run on those platforms and don’t run on Linux. Sounds like, for you, the operating system is more important than the programs that run on it. It certainly is a choice.

The number of users of DXO who use Linux as their platform would probably be minimal but, the effort to create a stable version of PhotoLab to run on it would be huge. And, in the meantime the developers would be redirecting their efforts from updating and enhancing the Mac and Windows versions for the vast majority of their users so that a few users like yourself could have what we have on a different platform, If you want DXO PhotoLab badly enough to beg for it, perhaps you should reevaluate your stance towards iOS and Windows 10.

Mark


(Alec Kinnear) #5

Part of the issue is that Linux users are pretty well served by the available applications like Darktable and RawTherapee. While they are available for at least Mac, those applications are no fun to use at all on Apple computers, as they are awkward ports and don’t comply with any Apple User Interface Guidelines at all. On Linux however, they behave considerably better and their interface is in line with Linux standards.

I would like to move to Linux myself but it would be too big a productivity hit - 50% for at least six months. I’m not on Macs for Apple any more (unreliable, intrusive and constantly changing pointlessly OS) but for the third party applications like DxO PhotoLab.

A Silver Tower Mac Pro can be had for as little as $400 now. I’d suggest to Vinz that he obtain one and use it offline just for photo and video applications. That’s my long term plan if I do manage to move my office and writing OS over to Linux.


#6

While Darktable and Rawtherapee are free and capable, the big difference is how oriented they are towards productivity. I’d say they’re not at all!

DXO is much better in this aspect with custom palettes and the presets etc, so I’d say there is a tangible difference for pros that need to process a lot of photos in a fixed amount of time - there is no viable linux alternative for that, so at least for me after having tried the Linux alternatives you mention, the productivity with DXO is much higher for similar results.

This together with Adobe increasing prices again and again, drives more people to other alternatives, and many abandon windows too for different reasons, so while I agree with your arguments, maybe it’s not quite as true as it was a few years ago?

Another semi-aproach could be to at least implement and document a not-officially-supported way to run DXO in wine. Linux-users are perhaps usually more computer-crafty so if it’s a simple fix, it may be worth it and result in a few more sales. I have tried and gotten it to install and a bit into the program start (using winetricks for .net 4.72), but no cigar, and I can’t tell if what’s left is a lot of work or just some detail they could easily fix. If wine-support is achieved, I don’t think a docker/snap should be far away so almost “anyone” could install DXO on linux, but I understand there’s still a huge gap from this to officially support it (QA nightmare if using wine etc…) so it would still be unofficial, but could attract some people, and if slowly working in that direction become a major player on linux over time. (DXO seems to be based on .net and Microsoft is working hard on the next major .net-variant, .net core, which runs on linux so it might not be that far-fetched).


(Mark) #7

I’m not an Adobe fan myself, but what do you mean by “increasing prices again and again”? Here in the US the Lightroom/Photoshop download bundle is still $9.99 per month, which hasn’t changed since they started delivering their software this way around 5 years ago.

Mark


#8

Ok, I’m not using the adobe products, I just read that the creative cloud price recently was hiked, but as you say the PS+LR might still be the same, and I guess for most that is (more than) enough.

But nevertheless, from what I’m seeing, Linux becoming more user-friendly and working better “out-of-the-box” and to me it seems more people are migrating and staying while a few years ago they would try and return, but I haven’t looked for any proof, just a feeling from the talk on forums. At least for me personally DxO is almost the only thing making me still keep a windows system on a disk.


(Mark) #9

As I suggested earlier, regardless of the growth of Linux use that you see, the potential number of DXO users on Linux compared to the potential and actual user base on Windows and iOS would probably be minuscule. I am pretty confident it would not be worth the considerable time, effort and redistribution of DXO’s limited resources to port the application to that platform. There would have to be a really compelling reason to do so.

Mark


(Alec Kinnear) #10

Adobe started off by offering Photographers nothing at all - just pay $30/month for Photoshop (single app subscription) like everybody else. Then they backed off and came up with the Photographer’s Bundle, first at $20/month then $9.99. Read the comments to relive the confusion and pain.


(Mark) #11

Adobe has priced Lightroom and Photoshop at $9.99 a month USD for the last five and a half years. I do not think that qualifies as increasing their prices over and over again, which implies something ongoing and current.


(Alec Kinnear) #12

Trust Adobe at your peril. Adobe is owned by the shareholders, not the founders. Contemporary Adobe has nothing to do with creativity or community and everything to do with extracting maximum value and killing off any potential competition.

As soon as Adobe has killed off enough of the competition (killing competition is why the Photo Bundle suddenly leapt down in price, not because Adobe decided they cared about or wanted to help photographers), you can expect to see $15.99/month and then $19.99/month – for “improvements” for “serious” photographers who “care about their craft” and are “willing to make the monthly investment” in “quality tools”.


(Jim Scott) #13

Seems like this thread has decidedly wandered off topic, diluting a discussion of OP’s feature request.


(Mark) #14

I think it wandered off course because there is extremely little likelihood that DXO will take the time to even consider porting PhotoLab to Linux.

Mark