DXO Softwares on LINUX ! (please .....)

DxO PhotoLab Feature requests
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One difference with Linux which is substantial is that one doesn’t have to run all of the services. Under macOS (everything after Mojave 10.14), it’s extremely difficult to disable the two hundred or so background processes and routines which Apple insists on running at all times, even if a user chooses not to use iCloud or the App Store or any other Apple services.

The situation with Windows 10+ is similar.

As one can reduce one’s footprint on Linux very simply by disabling the services one doesn’t need to use, one can radically simplify the task of securing Linux. The hardware backdoors via firmware and EFI remain regardless of OS of course (thanks Intel).

all I was suggesting was that if there is a market for DxO on WINE then the community can modify Wine so it runs DXO. If the community can’t be bothered there is clearly not a market for DXo.

Yes, the Wine community should approach DxO with the requests for changes to make PhotoLab more compatible. On the other hand, DxO could open up new marketing opportunities by pro-actively reaching out to Wine to see if PhotoLab could not be made compatible on Linux. There would be quite a bit of positive press coming out of such an event.

The value of DxO PhotoLab on Linux would be goodwill and good press. DxO could use a lot more of both.

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So what you are saying is Linux Gurus can limit their esposure. Non technical users can’t. However that is only limit not remove risk as all parts of Linux including the kernal can be, and have been, compramised.

So in the end you are saying that experts with all OS can limit their exposure. Yes we knew that.

The problem is that is is very easy to corupt Linux than more so than any other OS beacuse all the source is available. So at any time any Linux can be corupted by multiple players. With Windows or MAC-OS you have to get people into the relevant parts of the company and get it past testers in other departments. The same level of testing doesn’t happen with Linux.

As for Wine. the market for that appears to be less than 2% and of that number how many would want DXO? You are looking at maybe less than 1% of the market. The good will that would come from it is tending to zero and is not going to pay for the work in the resultant sales.

OTOH if the wine users wanted it they could make the adaptions at their end and with that good will DXO might see some value in supporting that community in the future.

DXO has a lot of goodwill and good press amongst the professionals without the religiousl fanatics of the Linux world. .

As for a Linux version… this is where we came in. The Linux market is far too small and fragmented anyway. If there was one Linux then you might have a case.

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No, that’s clearly not what I’m saying. What I’ve said is that it’s impossible to secure Windows or macOS as the backdoors are built in at a system level. It’s doubly difficult to secure either of those OS as there are so many always-on systems. The only chance at a secure OS is Linux at this point.

Next, you (like all the rest of the anti-privacy crew) just blithely argue privacy is impossible and therefore even attempting to maintain one’s privacy is wrong. The first part is not true, the second part is craven defeatism, the consequences of which I’ve outlined above: compromised politicians, compromised business leaders, compromised journalists.

I hope you like what you see both politically and socially in the West now, particularly the United States but also Europe. The situation is a direct result of the lack of privacy and the attendant lack of respect for the law. There is no need to obey or follow the laws when everyone and anyone in a position of power (even a journalist) can be blackmailed. Regaining our privacy is the crucial first step to rebuilding our societies with leaders of integrity in all the four powers. Hence the fierce institutional opposition to real privacy (in telecommunications, in computing).

Feel free to carry your anti-Linux crusade into the grave with you. Not sure what exactly your agenda is but it seems coercive and unhealthy.

OTOH if the wine users wanted it they could make the adaptions at their end and with that good will DXO might see some value in supporting that community in the future.

Some people have had some success running PhotoLab 3.0 under Wine. The argument about who should move first here is details. Hopefully 1. an intrepid someone in the Wine community will move PhotoLab forward at some point and 2. DxO will help rather than hinder that effort.

If you don’t have something new and substantial to say about either PhotoLab under Wine or Linux, I suggest we stop here.

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I don’t come here to read a load of political drivel. I come here to help folks run PhotoLab, FilmPack and ViewPoint.

Around the time that Windows 3 came out, there used to be a company called Digital Research and they brought out an OS called DR-DOS, as a competitor to MS-DOS. What was its advantage? DR also provided a WIMP GUI that was far superior to that of MS.

Unfortunately, just like Linux, it was so minority that there was a very limited range of software ever written for it and, inevitably, Apple did it better and Microsoft tried.

I switched to Mac a number of years ago because Windows was too flaky, unreliable and harder to use.

We all know that Linux is an extreme minority OS that you need to wear sandals and sport a beard to manage. Well, I do wear sandals but a beard is not something I would look good in. So I stick with an OS which allows me to concentrate on working rather than having to work, if not fight, to tame. It is hard enough to manage Windows - I’m certainly never likely to touch Linux ever again.

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No beard here.

It is hard enough to manage Windows - I’m certainly never likely to touch Linux ever again.

Horses for courses.

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A Wine PhotoLab user was here and did provide some specific useful feedback to DxO a few years ago. Feedback ignored (but at least promptly answered by the very kind and attentive @sgospodarenko).

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Wow! A religous rant.
I was arguing engineering and you come back with Religion.
I susspect I have far more real experience of the security world than you and I wil leave it there.

EDIT 22 April 2022 Black Magic Design have announced a whole load of new hardware and software. Intrestingly the new systems are Windows and Mac only. It seems even BMD is starting to drop Linux. Their support for it with Resolve is only on a now obsolete distribution. So I can’t see anyone else moving to Linux.

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I haven’t been able to find any reference to your claim that BMD is “dropping” Linux in any shape or form. In fact, the latest beta improvements very much include Linux. Do you have a reference for your claim?

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The program Aftersot Pro is not so bad, I had bought it once too, then left it since I know darktable. With Darktable, however, the photographer must think for himself. It is not a program with a “make picture beautiful” button. But you get verry more out of the RAW.

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This is the most nonsensical post in this forum!

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The answer is not clever. There are also many versions of Windows, but no one comes up with the idea to support Windows 3.11.

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By design, Linux is the most secure operating system. Microsoft would probably not have chosen it as a cloud system otherwise.
MacOS would be similarly secure if the support wasn’t so lame.

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If users spend money on PaintShopPro, they won’t shy away from it with other software.

Of course, you can wait until such programs as PureRAW appear on the freeware market. The beginning should be done. G’Mic from version 3 relies on neural networks and with their plugins then PSP, Xnview and Gimp can be operated.

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Much is a myth. Among the felt thousand geek and nerd Linux versions, only RHEL, SLES and Ubuntu have really established themselves in business. So manageable. In the multimedia area, Ubuntu-LTS is mostly favored.

Apart from that, a method exists that can be used for almost all distributions, similar to the Portable Apps in Windows, called App-Image and Flatpack.

The good Linus has also made a mistake. He probably didn’t know Mark at that time. As an admin I have been in many large companies with Linux on the desktop.

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This is so wrong it is laughable. Linux is one of the least secure operating systems I know.
You only have to look at Do178C to realise that.
What SIL or DAL level has Linux been validated to or are you just blowing hot air (again)?

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If these companies would work with Wine, they could get their software working pretty well in Linux. That would give them an idea of how many potential Linux users they had before they committed resources to making it run natively.

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I’ve moved to Linux with KDE Plasma and it is a beautiful thing. Be wise to be ahead of the curve on this one. Davinci Resolve is out on Linux.

I’m over subscription models that have you paying for software over and over. A base price and the ability to postpone upgrades until you are ready is fine but some, not naming names, have gone nuts with subscriptions.

And GIMP is a really excellent bitmap editor with lots of things that matter like bit depth.

I’ve tried DXO in Wine and on a virtual machine, both suck!

Microsoft were so threatened by Linux that they have put it inside their OS. Same method they used to kill Netscape and Sun. I think a bit of a revolt is on the cards. Lots of interest in Europe in Linux.

I think Resolve on Linux is my tipping point. I’m using so much open source software that the ethics of running it on Microsloth is questionable.

As for Adobe or Corel versus Linux… There are other tools for graphics, VivaDesigner is a good replacement for InDesign.

It seems to me that Linux wins on 3 market segments, education, people that use a little bit of a lot of apps and those with multiple workstations.

I really have the runs over Corel charging so much for less than Adobe and doing it with a subscription model that kills the software after a year. Nothing created is such an environment has archival value.

I’m running Rocky 9.2 KDE Plamsa and deadset it is a beautiful interface. And you nothing what is and isn’t a good interface on UHD. Thing have evolved along the lines of “what is worth the human effort” and it shows in the choices. All the OS bits are SVG vector graphics, you can tune text hinting up to higher levels. It’s peaceful and professional.

Meanwhile, I load windows, feel like I’m on some version of internet fox news and get bombarded by distractions, many of which I can’t turn off.

I think the time to do it is now while Blackmagic (Resolve) is putting apps into the Linux stream. Their customers are DXO customers.

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Linux still only has 2.7% of market share, as opposed to macOS rising to around 19% and Windows falling to around 62%.

There just isn’t the market to justify the enormous investment of time and money that would be required to create a new version for such a minority OS.

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Good work, making the move. It’s a pity that PhotoLab doesn’t run better on Wine at least. I’m not sure if the core framework in which PhotoLab is developed offers a Linux version. If it does, then it would be possible to create a Linux version. If the core development framework is not ported to Linux, it would be like starting from scratch, which of course would not be viable.

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And some professionals and companies who like their privacy. Even if more relative now.

But yes, does this investment is profitable for DxO ?
Or should they concentrate on improving their software ?